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If the elections of January are held, I am afraid that Iraq knows the civil war
President of the Association of
the Iraqis of France since the fall of Baghdad, AmirAlfarge, 49 years is joined to ten other Iraqis (in Germany, the United States, France¦) to create, six months ago, the Movement of the Iraqi Citizenship. A laic movement which wants that the reference of the fundamental law of new Iraq is the concept of citizenship for all the religions and ethnos groups which make the Iraqi people. In France, since 1978, Mr. Alfarge forever be militant for or agains the mode of Saddam, but is occupation American of its country which was the principal cause of the beginning of its militancy in Paris and elsewhere. Because, he, say occupation forever be better a dictator . Explications
Why did you think of the militancy for the Iraqi cause, only 25 years after having left your country?
I was never adverse with the mode of Saddam, but I never was
on his side either. On the other hand, since the fall of Baghdad, I decided to join the movements of resistance because I think that a world power like the United States does not have anything to make on our premises. And today, counters a puppet government, imposed by the force on Irakiens.Comme all the Iraqis, I lived the occupation of our country like a shock. I even smell myself dishonoured by that is what pushes me to militate today and to risk my life, because I am sought by the Americans in Baghdad. I am proud to be Iraqi, and as my country crosses a period of war today, I decided that it was time to be interdependent with my people. There is still an amalgam which is made between pro-Iraq and the pro-Saddam it is not the same thing. Admittedly it was a dictator, but my priority was not to militate against him, whereas million Iraqi children died under the embargo imposed on the country. Today, the United States decided to break this country, cradle of civilizations, in the name of the democracy.
The objective of my life became the fight for the independence of Iraq. I am the back small son of the first
martyr of the Iraqi revolution of 1920 against the English, baptized "the dumb Carpenter". That for saying
that the militancy is a tradition in my family. More especially as I form part of all those which never agreed to be put
with a foreign government to reverse Saddam. It is an interior business.
How do you live your militancy in a
country which was against the American offensive armed against impetus against Iraq in 2003?
As an Iraqi, I especially was never spoiled in France. I
have good relations with certain French politicians, just like I have problems with others. One of the politicians whom I respect much here, it is Jean-Pierre Chevevnement who had invited me to a congress of his party to come to speak about Iraq, for example. I talks also of the relations with several militant associations and organizations anti-war and anti-imperialism.
I think however that the French political vision concerning
Iraq can help us, in an objective way, because it acts of a multipolar policy. The problem of Iraq and the Middle East overall can be solved only starting from the United Nations. However, the policy of the American President, George W. Bush, are based, on unipolarity. There is thus only the multipolar European vision, that France defends well, which can counter this American hegemony.
And what thinks the Iraqi people of the
French position, and its front points of view defended, during and even for the post-war period?
It is important to stress here that when one speaks about
the French position, one wants to speak about the position of President Jacques Chirac, because there are in France several tendencies, with political parties and representatives who are more clearly for the American policy.
Thus concerning the position of President Chirac, it is clear and honest with my direction. It defends an Arab
policy of General de Gaulle. Its point of view is listened and respected everywhere in the Arab
world especially concerning the isralo-Palestinian conflict and the Iraqi file. If you go to Iraq, in addition to that of General de Gaulle, there are two names which the Iraqis know very well. That of Jean Pierre Chevenvement, former minister for the Defense which had resigned during the first war of the Gulf and that of Jacques Chirac who always defended the cause of the Middle East.
With which do see you the government of interim set up by the Americans in Iraq ?
The principal objective of our movement, it is to denounce
the occupation and all the pawns which were carried by the American tanks, because it is not with these people that Iraq of tomorrow will be done. They are all people who were isolated after the fall of Saddam, because they were not related to the system of the occupation, which must return today to rebuild Iraq. Because these people there have the clean hands. Our movement militates so that Iraq is controlled by the laic ones, in agreement with all the religious movements. However the Americans did nothing but bring back people who are not accepted by the Iraqi people, how you want that they control it. It is a government which is there to carry out the man?uvres of the occupant.
A conference joined together this week
with Sharm Sheik, Iraq, his neighbors and G8. One of its results was the obliteration of 80% of the Iraqi foreign debt and the confirmation of the elections of January 2005. How do you consider it knowing that it excluded the movements from Iraqi resistance?
There will be never peace in Iraq as long as one will not have solved the problem of social peace between the Iraqis.
Currently, it is not
the case, therefore there is not even place to speak about the money to rebuild Iraq before creating the favourable climate. With all the massacres which the Iraqis live, of Falloujah and elsewhere, I do not think that they will agree today to be controlled by pawns imposed by the Americans and even less their elections. The conference of Sharm Sheik (which was held this week note) is one of the man?uvres of these people. It was at the base a good French initiative, it was diverted by the Americans in order to make an occasion of it impose and fake the elections of January 2005. So that the Iraqis take part in elections, they must be able to do it while being free, and not under the control of 150000 American soldiers.
Concerning the foreign debt, the cancellation of 80% is not an important thing in our eyes because, we have oil and
everyone knows that we can sponge our debts. Most important to help the Iraqis would be to help them
to gather, after having said to the Americans that their presence is not desirable, by giving to the people the means of rebuilding the country.
Your movement forms part of all the
currents of resistance which called with the boycott of the elections of January 2005, that do you fear if they are held? and which scenario envisage if they do not take place ?
We ask indeed the Iraqi people not to take part in this
masquerade. We are for elections under the aegis of the United Nations but not under control of the occupant. Under these conditions, no government could declare legitim.Alors if ever the elections of January are held, I am afraid that Iraq does not know the civil war. In the other case of figure, I think that the American ones will be obliged to find a solution, with the United Nations this time. A door of exit which can be accepted by all the Iraqi tendencies. We want the elections to make the democratic transition, but we refuse that they are organized by somebody who did as much evil to the Iraqi people, in fact the United States.
And which would be according to you the way towards this social peace about which you speak?
Iraq cannot accept an external power which has a religion and habits other than them his to come to reorganize
it. To reach social peace, the United Nations must play a greater part to help us, while engaging of the Arab countries
and Moslems in Iraq in order to make it possible to the Iraqis to meet between them and to help to rebuild their country.
How do you precisely see, to date, the
engagement of the Arab countries in the resolution of the Iraqi question?
It is necessary here to distinguish between some close
countries which benefit from the situation in Iraq for reasons political or economic, and others like Syria, Jordan and well of others which want really to help us. But you know, that well a long time made that Iraq is left only in its distress, we learned how to only beat us. The Arab League has it even many efforts required to regain the confidence of the Iraqi people.
You on the other hand continue to do to
confidence in the United Nations who were unable to stop the United States leaving in war against your country?
The Iraqi people, indeed, lost confidence in the United Nations because the Americans could double them easily
to come to attack it. However, today, the Americans are in a mud pit and could not make a success of
their blow. Then today, they need an alternative Something which enables them to leave Iraq. Then if they think that the United Nations can help them in this direction, that will be appropriate to us too for us. One must find solutions valid for everyone. The United States must return today in their place of great respected power and not to fear.
Which lesson do you draw from this hard test?
The merit of this war in Iraq, whose price was paid by the
life of the Iraqis, will have been to have made it possible to see being born starting from the area, a new world order which puts an end to the American unilateralism. It is all the balance of the geopolitical forces on the scene of world affairs which from now on will change. Because let us recall once again that we are not against the American people, but rather against the policy of George W. Bush.
Partial translation from french to english by yahoo
Remarks collected by Aziza Nait Sibaha Corresponding in Paris
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